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| TheRumpledOne 6,411 posts msg #92060 - Ignore TheRumpledOne |
5/4/2010 7:45:11 PM Here's my prediction... 1) AZ SB 1070 holds up in court. 2) Other states adopt laws like it. 3) Obama gives ammesty to the 30 million plus illegal aliens in this country further dividing WE THE PEOPLE. 4) The United States of America ceases to exist just like the U.S.S.R. ( I may not live long enough to see this ) |
| oikifnugere 6 posts msg #92063 - Ignore oikifnugere |
5/4/2010 8:44:38 PM @ petrolpeter We could all be workers in Arizona.54% of Illegals use stolen identities to circumvent the mandatory E-Verify employer ID system according to Homeland Security agents.Hmm,hope their paying me enough.I think if I (here in Wisconsin)were to Swipe some one's ID,lie on an E-Verify document,lie to an employer,work for cash/not pay tax(for years) Festus would be passing me a coffee tin through the bars before long,and rightly so. ============================================================================================ If "illegals" are e-verified that means they'll have a paycheck. Guess what? Payroll taxes must be withheld from an employee's paycheck. This is required by law! And guess what? Millions of “illegals” times, let's say, $100/month(at least!) means billions of dollars go to various federal and local tax with-holdings and to the SSN account of the real holder! Let's not forget about all the other taxes(sale taxes, etc.) And guess what? If “illegals” were to retire they can't get any benefits because they actually don't exist! |
| crunkle 54 posts msg #92064 - Ignore crunkle |
5/4/2010 9:43:26 PM In my state (Illinois) on certain holidays, like New Years Eve, it's very common for police to set up numerous traffic stops where all drivers are stopped, asked for drivers licenses, vehicle registrations, proof of insurance and checked for DUI. Not very many complain about this "abuse of power" because it serves to make the roads safer. I've spoken to some neighbors who spent the winter in Green Valley, Arizona - it's about 30 miles north of the border. There were occasions when they were very concerned for their safety and wouldn't venture outside the gated community where they had rented a house. In conversations they had with some of the full-time residents, there was a unanimous feeling that the illegal immigration problem was out of control. I'm in agreement with a radio talk-show host who said "I don't mind if they come in but they should sign the guest register and we should keep track of them. By requiring some form of registration it at least gives us an opportunity to keep out the bad guys. |
| TheRumpledOne 6,411 posts msg #92078 - Ignore TheRumpledOne |
5/5/2010 1:30:12 AM Look what I found: http://www.newsopi.com/politics/immigration-reform-2010/257/comment-page-2/#comment-3886 James says: May 4, 2010 at 2:12 pm Mexico, which annually deports more illegal aliens than the United States does, has much to teach us about how it handles the immigration issue. Under Mexican law, it is a Felony to be an Illegal Alien in Mexico. Mexico has a single, streamlined law that ensures that foreign visitors and immigrants are: in the country legally have the means to sustain themselves economically not destined to be burdens on society of economic and social benefit to society of good character and have no criminal records, and * contributors to the general well-being of the nation. The law also ensures that * immigration authorities have a record of each foreign visitor * foreign visitors do not violate their visa status * foreign visitors are banned from interfering in the country’s internal politics foreign visitors who enter under false pretenses are imprisoned or deported foreign visitors violating the terms of their entry are imprisoned or deported; those who aid in illegal immigration will be sent to prison. The Mexican constitution strictly defines the rights of citizens — and the denial of many fundamental rights to non-citizens, illegal and illegal. Under the constitution, the Ley General de Población, or General Law on Population, spells out specifically the country’s immigration policy. (Why is our great southern neighbor pushing us to water down our own immigration laws and policies, when its own immigration restrictions are the toughest on the continent? If a felony is a crime punishable by more than one year in prison, then Mexican law makes it a felony to be an illegal alien in Mexico)? If the United States adopted such statutes, Mexico no doubt would denounce it as a Manifestation of American Racism and Bigotry. Mexico welcomes only foreigners who will be useful to Mexican society: * Foreigners are admitted into Mexico “according to their possibilities of contributing to national progress.” (Article 32) * Immigration officials must “ensure” that “immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance” and for their dependents. (Article 34) * Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets “the equilibrium of the national demographics,” when foreigners are deemed detrimental to “economic or national interests,” when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws, and when “they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy.” (Article 37) * The Secretary of Governance may “suspend or prohibit the admission of foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest.” (Article 38) Mexican authorities must keep track of every single person in the country: * Federal, local and municipal police must cooperate with federal immigration authorities upon request, i.e., to assist in the arrests of illegal immigrants. (Article 73) * A National Population Registry keeps track of “every single individual who comprises the population of the country,” and verifies each individual’s identity. (Articles 85 and 86) * A national Catalog of Foreigners tracks foreign tourists and immigrants (Article 87), and assigns each individual with a unique tracking number (Article 91). Foreigners with fake papers, or who enter the country under false pretenses, may be imprisoned: * Foreigners with fake immigration papers may be fined or imprisoned. (Article 116) * Foreigners who sign government documents “with a signature that is false or different from that which he normally uses” are subject to fine and imprisonment. (Article 116) Foreigners who fail to obey the rules will be fined, deported, and/or imprisoned as felons: * Foreigners who fail to obey a deportation order are to be punished. (Article 117) * Foreigners who are deported from Mexico and attempt to re-enter the country without authorization can be imprisoned for up to 10 years. (Article 118) * Foreigners who violate the terms of their visa may be sentenced to up to six years in prison (Articles 119, 120 and 121). Foreigners who misrepresent the terms of their visa while in Mexico — such as working with out a permit — can also be imprisoned. Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony. The General Law on Population says, * “A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally.” (Article 123) * Foreigners with legal immigration problems may be deported from Mexico instead of being imprisoned. (Article 125) Foreigners who “attempt against national sovereignty or security” will be deported. (Article 126) Mexicans who help illegal aliens enter the country are themselves considered criminals under the law A Mexican who marries a foreigner with the sole objective of helping the foreigner live in the country is subject to up to five years in prison. (Article 127) Shipping and airline companies that bring undocumented foreigners into Mexico will be fined. (Article 132) All of the above runs contrary to what Mexican leaders are demanding of the United States. The stark contrast between Mexico’s immigration practices versus its American immigration preachings is telling. It gives a clear picture of the Mexican government’s agenda: to have a one-way immigration relationship with the United States. Let’s call Mexico’s bluff on its unwarranted interference in U.S. immigration policy. Let’s propose, just to make a point, that the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) member nations standardize their immigration laws by using Mexico’s own law as a Model. ================================================== President Obama needs to ask the Mexican President about immigration reform in Mexico. |
| chetron 2,817 posts msg #92089 - Ignore chetron |
5/5/2010 6:36:19 AM so move to mexico and you will be able to focus on the better things in life, where you won't have any illegal worries. next time you are in cabo, stay. i am sure you can pass any social test they can muster. |
| TheRumpledOne 6,411 posts msg #92093 - Ignore TheRumpledOne |
5/5/2010 8:25:16 AM Ever hear of: Operation Wetback was a 1954 operation by the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) to remove about one million illegal immigrants from the southwestern United States, focusing on Mexican nationals[1]. Operation Wetback in action The effort began in California and Arizona and coordinated 1075 Border Patrol agents, along with state and local police agencies, to mount an aggressive crackdown, going as far as police sweeps of Mexican-American neighborhoods and random stops and ID checks of "Mexican-looking" people in a region with many Native Americans and native Hispanics. In some cases, illegal immigrants were deported along with their American-born minor dependent children as is standard international practice. This was although the children were by current legal interpretation of the 14th amendment U.S. citizens. [3] Some 750 agents targeted agricultural areas with a goal of 1000 apprehensions a day. By the end of July, over 50,000 immigrants were caught in the two states. Around 488,000 illegal immigrants are claimed to have left voluntarily for fear of being apprehended. By September, 80,000 had been taken into custody in Texas, and the INS estimates that 500,000 to 700,000 had left Texas on their own. To discourage re-entry, buses and trains took many deportees deep within Mexico before releasing them. Tens of thousands more were deported by two chartered ships, the Emancipation and the Mercurio. The ships ferried them from Port Isabel, Texas, to Veracruz, Mexico, more than 500 miles (800 kilometers) to the south. Some were taken as far as 1,000 miles. Deportation by sea was ended after seven deportees jumped overboard from the Mercurio and drowned, provoking a mutiny which led to a public outcry in Mexico.[4] |
| TheRumpledOne 6,411 posts msg #92095 - Ignore TheRumpledOne |
5/5/2010 8:27:28 AM chetron so move to mexico and you will be able to focus on the better things in life, where you won't have any illegal worries. next time you are in cabo, stay. i am sure you can pass any social test they can muster. =============== AMERICA - LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT? NO! AMERICA - LOVE IT ENOUGH TO FIGHT TO MAKE IT BETTER!! Chetron, your argument is off point and you know it. Once again, you are making it PERSONAL. Quit trying to KILL THE MESSENGER. |
| chetron 2,817 posts msg #92158 - Ignore chetron modified |
5/5/2010 6:57:39 PM i'm not trying to kill anyone, tro. i am just giving you very feasible solutions to YOUR problem. that's all. it benefits no one to know whether someone is from mexico or texas. you are creating YOUR own problem. if me suggesting to you, to go to cabo and be happy as killing the messenger, then please kill me. hth |
| TheRumpledOne 6,411 posts msg #92191 - Ignore TheRumpledOne |
5/6/2010 12:03:00 AM Simple question: What happens if someone jumps the fence and wanders around a gated community without an ID? I am sure a resident of the community calls the cops saying someone that doesn't look like they belong here is roaming the streets. The cops arrive. They would ask the wanderer a few questions. And since the wanderer does not have a valid reason for being inside the gated community, the cops would escort them out, wouldn't they? Isn't a country, like the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, a "gated community", too? |
| alf44 2,025 posts msg #92196 - Ignore alf44 modified |
5/6/2010 12:43:50 AM YO ... ASSHAT !!! NEWSFLASH ... dig this TRO...as a BLACK MAN ... HELLO ... YOU are on the wrong side of this argument !!! I got news for you ... moron ... if YOU ...Avery T. Horton ... walked through many neighborhoods in this country ... perfectly innocent ... minding your own business ... you would very likely be confronted ... probably by law enforcement ...you would likely be questioned ... if you were ...say..."perceived" to be difficult, beligerent, argumentative ... you would most likely be roughed up ...possibly beaten or tasered ...and needless to say ... probably handcuffed and hauled off to jail ! Or, worse !!! AND IT WOULDN'T MATTER IF YOU HAD A FUCKING ID OR NOT ... FOOL !!! WAKEUP !!! Rather ... it would happen ... JUST FOR BEING BLACK !!! Let's not forget this country put 10s of thousands of "legal" Japanese Americans in "makeshift concentration camps" ...after Pearl Harbor ! Something tells me that YOU would have been ALL FOR THAT ... too !!! You need to seriously take a look in the mirror and realize that YOU ... are on the wrong side of this argument ! Or, NOT !!!! Whatever !!! Who gives a shit !?! |
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